Curse

Enchanted Warrior · May 27, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Okay this is a rant, a complaint, a way to vent.. and perhaps learn something.

I was in Gunners hold and people are trying to finish the magni tournement. Okay, business as usual. I figure most want the crown, as not all are casters so the primary reward of the bison cup focus item is not something they will use unless they put it on a caster hero. Okay, still no problem, just another day in game.

Now here comes the part that bothered me. If the tournement is made difficult so you feel a sense of accomplishment, why do we bother if all we need to do is buy 5 bison tokens and get the crown?

I was like.. "WTF?" I felt like a real idiot for facing magni all those times and finally beating him, ok I had my moment of "I beat the sob", and even bragged in chat only to hear "so what you can buy the tokens and get the crown easy noob".

TILT! why do we bother? Shouldn't the tokens be bind on acquire and non trade able like z coins etc? Pretty soon people will buy the game, go buy gold (and violate the TOS but they still do it) and have all the best stuff, hire runners to all the camps, and stand around bored. I guess GW doesn't care because they got their money so who cares right?

AngelWJedi · May 27, 2009, 08:12 PM // 20:12

i for one didnt buy bison coins. the crown is more fugly then togo's face in my opnion.

lot of peeps buy the coins because he is to hard to beat. sadly i bested him on some girls of mine but others cant even give him a stubbed toe.

so who cares if you can buy the tokens? it not like it hurting anyone and its only for a head piece not many people wear.

Enchanted Warrior · May 27, 2009, 08:35 PM // 20:35

What they (GW) should do is sell the tokens in their online store LOL

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

i for one didnt buy bison coins. the crown is more fugly then togo's face in my opnion.

lot of peeps buy the coins because he is to hard to beat. sadly i bested him on some girls of mine but others cant even give him a stubbed toe.

so who cares if you can buy the tokens? it not like it hurting anyone and its only for a head piece not many people wear.

It's just silly to me, if all they need to do is buy them, where is the challenge? At least make it so they must defeat Bison once.

upier · May 27, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

It's a single player mission in a team game.
The real issue with it is that it's even in the game.

Anduin · May 27, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

Take rit secondary, beat him easily, and see that there is no challenge.

CyberNigma · May 27, 2009, 09:06 PM // 21:06

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

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ok I had my moment of "I beat the sob", and even bragged in chat
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That's what you earned from beating him - that feeling. I don't think the crown or cup are worth that much trouble, but I too beat him for that feeling. It seems that your issue has more to do with other people not caring about having that feeling than the actual item.

I think it's cool that you beat him and cool that I beat him, but it's like the guy that runs around speaking Klingon - he thinks it's really cool and quite the accomplishment, but other people just don't care. When you tell the guy you don't care if he learned Klingon, he gets upset. It's the same thing. They could make the coins bind to the character or account, but I don't think the intention was to make the crown/cup a trophy (though that would seem to be the definition to me of a cup like that). Instead it's more of a tool. Had they made the cup with no stats then it would be purely a trophy.

I think what you need (or anyone else that desires a way to show off this accomplishment) is maybe a title for it (Bison Cup Champion) - maybe one for the Kilroy quests as well. After all, you can't really show off the cup in-town (or the brass knuckles), just the crown.

As long as you're happy with the accomplishment, there's all the reason in the world to do it instead of buying it - on one character. It's up to you if you wanted to repeat that X times. Since it's the same player, I don't see it as much of an accomplishment repeating the championship on X characters, though others may feel differently.

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

Now here comes the part that bothered me. If the tournement is made difficult so you feel a sense of accomplishment, why do we bother if all we need to do is buy 5 bison tokens and get the crown?

TILT! why do we bother?

you answered that one in the first quote.

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

Shouldn't the tokens be bind on acquire and non trade able like z coins etc? Pretty soon people will buy the game, go buy gold (and violate the TOS but they still do it) and have all the best stuff, hire runners to all the camps, and stand around bored.

Let them stand around bored - don't try to force them to be happy. Who knows, maybe they are happy with buying all their stuff (though I wouldn't be). That's no different than ANet forcing you to play the game a certain way that you don't want to play it. If you worry about other people's happiness all the time, you'll never be happy yourself :-)

Of course the buying gold bit seems to affect other people's happiness, but buying runs/etc doesn't necessarily do so.

Enchanted Warrior · May 27, 2009, 09:10 PM // 21:10

Thought occurs, they (GW) know it is very unbalanced and a great many builds will not work. So they made it so all can have the crown. It would be silly to just balance it... It's like the glacial griffon mission, a SS necro with minions can beat him very VERY quickly. While others try and try and try.

blood4blood · May 27, 2009, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

<snip> Pretty soon people will buy the game, go buy gold (and violate the TOS but they still do it) and have all the best stuff, hire runners to all the camps, and stand around bored. I guess GW doesn't care because they got their money so who cares right?

People have been doing that for years, nothing new there except the ugly crown reward.

Personally, I did get the crown on one character just because I want to (eventually) do all the quests with her, but the crown's been sitting in storage ever since I got it.

CyberNigma · May 27, 2009, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

Thought occurs, they (GW) know it is very unbalanced and a great many builds will not work. So they made it so all can have the crown. It would be silly to just balance it... It's like the glacial griffon mission, a SS necro with minions can beat him very VERY quickly. While others try and try and try.

yeah, I agree totally. Balancing classes for team based play is somewhat different than balancing classes for individual play. I don't even believe that classes should be balanced against every other class. If you do that you knock out their uniqueness - kinda like balancing a queen in chess against a pawn.

dustbunny · May 27, 2009, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Enchanted Warrior

why do we bother?

I don't know why you bother, but I want the "Finish him" skill. Plus its an interesting exercise to do it for my different professions, each having to devise and execute a different strategy to win this thing.

R.Shayne · May 27, 2009, 09:48 PM // 21:48

The only reason I did that tournament was to unlock heroes and I have 10 pve characters so I did it a number of times (hate when they don't spawn).

Enchanted Warrior · May 27, 2009, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by dustbunny

I don't know why you bother, but I want the "Finish him" skill. Plus its an interesting exercise to do it for my different professions, each having to devise and execute a different strategy to win this thing.

Yup, I beat him as well, use rit spirits and you're done. Helps being an ele, with all the energy.

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

The only reason I did that tournament was to unlock heroes and I have 10 pve characters so I did it a number of times (hate when they don't spawn).

Same here, I also had Zehtukas horn in my vault and got the green one by beating him.

As for the looks of the crown, it reminds me of the hat Jughead wore in the Archies that was made of cloth with lil points. It is not very attractive and is very odd looking indeed. As a graphic designer myself, I think the reason is not everything looks good when it it reduced to that small of an image.

Evaine · May 28, 2009, 02:20 AM // 02:20

I originally did the tournament to get the Norn skills, unlock the heroes, and to get Zho’s Journal for three of my characters.

Now they each have Zehtuka’s Horn in their inventory so someday they’ll do the tournament again to get the green version, which will probably end up in storage along with the Bison Cups and Brass Knuckles that they collected.

If all you want is the crown then, yeah - you don’t need to do the tournament because you can buy the tokens. I got the crown for my Elementalist because he was the first to get through the tournament. When I saw that the crown made him bald, I didn’t get one for my other characters.

There are a lot of players who can never say anything positive and always have to call people “noobs” for not taking the easy way out. Hopefully you’ll never have to get on a team with the slackers who buy their way through everything in the game.

Jugalo Dano · May 28, 2009, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by dustbunny

I don't know why you bother, but I want the "Finish him" skill. Plus its an interesting exercise to do it for my different professions, each having to devise and execute a different strategy to win this thing.

I beat bison during the gwen preview event, I was kinda wondering where that skill came from. Finish Him! alone is worth beating the tourney. My helm's long been trashed, but I use that skill alot.

As for the people who buy the tokens, some players are just lazy like that I guess. I think it's absured that people would pay 20k for a dungeon run, but they do it so they can pretend they beat it.

Enchanted Warrior · May 28, 2009, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by Evaine

I originally did the tournament to get the Norn skills, unlock the heroes, and to get Zho’s Journal for three of my characters.

Now they each have Zehtuka’s Horn in their inventory so someday they’ll do the tournament again to get the green version, which will probably end up in storage along with the Bison Cups and Brass Knuckles that they collected.

If all you want is the crown then, yeah - you don’t need to do the tournament because you can buy the tokens. I got the crown for my Elementalist because he was the first to get through the tournament. When I saw that the crown made him bald, I didn’t get one for my other characters.

There are a lot of players who can never say anything positive and always have to call people “noobs” for not taking the easy way out. Hopefully you’ll never have to get on a team with the slackers who buy their way through everything in the game.

*sigh* From your mouth to Dwayna's ear.. I can proudly say I got protector on my warrior in all 3 campaigns BEFORE they added normal/hardmode (44 months in game). But I'm sure someone will say "so what" you could have paid a runner LOL.

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Originally Posted by Evaine

If all you want is the crown then, yeah - you don’t need to do the tournament because you can buy the tokens. I got the crown for my Elementalist because he was the first to get through the tournament. When I saw that the crown made him bald, I didn’t get one for my other characters.

This is because you take off your hair and replace it with a hat, crown, helmet etc.. All games are like this, the devs can give you a 10 page reason for doing it, but it comes down to the speed of loading and resources used. Blame the graphics engine, that all games swear is their own design yet all games have the same problem. Funny that.. LOL

Empress Amarox · May 28, 2009, 03:02 AM // 03:02

They beat him for the pve skill rewards actually...

MithranArkanere · May 28, 2009, 03:26 AM // 03:26

They had no way to make items 'customized account wide' until now.
And they forgot about it, so items that should be account customized stay as they were instead being updated, like the Nesting Material or those tokens.

Now it's time to fix that and make quite some things like Keys: account wide but restricted to the account.

LONGA · May 28, 2009, 06:01 AM // 06:01

I feel good when I crank up a build,a pure warrior build that beats anything in the tournament also Magni himself.

kazjun · May 28, 2009, 06:12 AM // 06:12

Finish him. After that, it's just to get xandra and kahmu. The crown was just cause I had the tokens lying around and don't care about drunkard.

zwei2stein · May 28, 2009, 06:34 AM // 06:34

People actually want that crown? That fugly thing? Only use for tokens is alcohol. There is no issue with that.

Real actual desirable tournament rewards (heroes & pve skills & certain items) can only be gained by actually playing it.